Just read a post asking Eugen to resign from developing Mastodon and I really have to ask: what are you folks smoking?
It’s his project. It’s open source. Fork it if you want to. But what kind of mind-blowing sense of entitlement drives you to think you can tell someone they should stop working on something they’ve built?
*smh*
It’s his project. It’s open source. Fork it if you want to. But what kind of mind-blowing sense of entitlement drives you to think you can tell someone they should stop working on something they’ve built?
*smh*
Alexander Bochmann
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •It's still not wrong to ask him to consider uses that are different from those of mastodon.social, and to lobby for features that may not fit his vision for future development of the software.
Meisam 🇪🇺:manjaro:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Gert V 🇵🇸
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •OberstKrueger
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Claudius (legacy account)
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •spla :senyera: :vim:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •No Time To Play
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Tech is never "just tech". You should know better than most people. I thought you did.
Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf No Time To Play • • •If the sternly-worded letter doesn’t work, what next? Should we shackle his hands to make sure he can’t type? Do you also take a kid’s Legos away if you don’t like what they’re building? Heck, even that isn’t a good analogy because the kid probably didn’t mold and craft the Legos himself.
*still smh*
dor
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Is it a silly demand for an open source project? A bit. But that doesn’t make the people making the demand silly or drug users/addicts. For many people Mastodon is their first or only experience of the fediverse and/or open-source.
How do we build a community around the fediverse such that we can collectively push for changes when and where they are necessary? Does it produce a vibrant and healthy community if the only or main way to address leadership we don’t agree with is to build our own camp/software? Seems like a lot of repetition of effort to me.
donut :alpine: :xfce: :clj:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Do I think it makes sense to design it like he did? No.
Do I care at all what happens to .social depending on how iOS app is designed? No, not my instance not my problem.
BUT
He’s the developer and he has the reigns.
If there’s a LLC or some other business model/money involved, get over it. Everyone needs to eat and if he’s developing this instead of a normal job AND keeping it open source.. that’s awesome. More power to him for that. I respect that.
Christopher M0YNG
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •It's used by more than his two big instances, but I don't feel like admins like myself get any say in the direction of the software without chipping in code (and running an instance takes most of the time I might have to contribute even if it was incorporated) maybe a board or working group is needed?
But asking him to stop doing EVERYTHING seems pointless
Georg
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Georg • • •You cannot – and neither should you be able to – stop anyone else working on it (or a fork of it).
Georg
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Ivan Sagalaev :flag_wbw:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
Unbekannter Ursprungsbeitrag • • •It is also absolutely ludicrous to tell someone what they can and what they cannot work on.
Jim
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Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •elrido
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Als Antwort auf elrido • • •Florian Jensen
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •If so, who's forcing users to use that app? There's countless other clients for it if they'd like that feature.
Guerin
Als Antwort auf Florian Jensen • • •I don’t think it’ll go that far, but i’m convinced that Gargron has a biased pov on his software, based on his experience on one of the biggest instances. And he already showed that he wasn’t always a good listener…
TBH i’m not even using mastodon so i’m kinda not the best suited to talk about that. Or am i exactly for this reason ?
Like i said elsewhere, i’m pretty sure we could find a solution that suits both people using local timeline for thematic / community purposes, and people who think those are useless, trashy or overwhelming : groups.
Cross-instances federated thematic groups that you could join from any instance.
They’d even be better than local timelines even fo... mehr anzeigen
I don’t think it’ll go that far, but i’m convinced that Gargron has a biased pov on his software, based on his experience on one of the biggest instances. And he already showed that he wasn’t always a good listener…
TBH i’m not even using mastodon so i’m kinda not the best suited to talk about that. Or am i exactly for this reason ?
Like i said elsewhere, i’m pretty sure we could find a solution that suits both people using local timeline for thematic / community purposes, and people who think those are useless, trashy or overwhelming : groups.
Cross-instances federated thematic groups that you could join from any instance.
They’d even be better than local timelines even for small communities since they’d really be about one topic.
Florian Jensen
Als Antwort auf Guerin • • •Guerin
Als Antwort auf Florian Jensen • • •Not all folks here are developers, we can’t all just fork. And maintain the new software. He has the skills, the funds, and the human ressources.
Guerin
Als Antwort auf Guerin • • •But that’s another topic
Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Guerin • • •Aroop Roelofs :verified:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •I've seen so much times of him "I don't like this feature, it won't be there", even if it doesn't cost him much effort to add beyond a review.
Do we *really* have to make 1337666 forks just because 1 guy doesn't want a particular feature?
Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Aroop Roelofs :verified: • • •Aroop Roelofs :verified:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Seriously... it takes a few moments of his time to review a PR and press "merge".
Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🧠 🕹
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •If you turn Better into an ad farm, people aren't going to just say "oh well that's Aral's right" and keep using it.
Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🧠 🕹 • • •It’s a huge leap from “you can’t force anyone to use what you make” (agreed, entirely) to “stop working on your app because I said so” (which is what the open letter demands).
Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🧠 🕹
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •So asking him to stop being a tyrant is the first "do less harm" step.
Matthew Skala
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Aral Balkan
Als Antwort auf Matthew Skala • • •retroartdt
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •Corconegre :estelada:
Als Antwort auf Aral Balkan • • •- Asking politely to the developer of a software for a feature, with data to back up your choices= GOOD
- If no attention is paid you can always fork. Seems to be a lot of people interested (worse projects have been forked)
- Asking a developer to stop the project or give it away because you don't like a feature= BAD
- This is typical troll attitude
- No offense intended
- I do love local timeline
Raül
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